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I'm thinking that Shepherd's was not the producer to start, and that the entire label was the result of branding at some later point.
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Eric Menchen wrote:I've seen bottles before with an alcohol range, although I can't recall a range as big as 2%.
Importer labels to the US commonly have a 2% range, though it's usually 19-21% when labeled as such for Port.
Alcohol content is wrong for Port.
I've seen weirder on perfectly legit bottles, including a Noval that was labeled either 22% or 23%.

I can't find the regulation right now (my search-fu fails me), but as I recall the actual regulation is pretty wide. Might be 18-22%? It's just that Port is normally 19-21%.
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A close up of the cork. Can't get it any better. The cork shows: Vintage 1937
Just a little left of the sealingwax.

My bottle does not have 'the string'.
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I'm impressed you were able to get a picture, Allan. Though the glass that's quite a feat, thanks!


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Good photo - although I hope that line is not a crack in the glass that I can also see there.. :(

Can you check to see if it's a Portuguese bottle? This is not a 100% sure test, as glass has been shipped around the world from time to time when there have been shortages, and not all glass makers sing from the same hymn sheet; but older Portuguese bottles often have a flat punt on the underside - that is to say, if you look at the bottom of the bottle you will see that it has a slightly recessed flat base.

If it has that, I would say that it is probably a genuine but maverick bottle; if not, then the jury is still out..
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The bottle is intact. Only some old wax is sitting on top of the cork. Still dry...

I am not a bottle-expert. The bottom is flat, with some Numbers and letters...

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There are people who understand the various bottle base markings, but it's a bit of dark art..

However, that it's flat is a BIG plus, so let me hypothesise a little.

1) The background

The 1934/5 split declaration was the first major split of the 20th century and also the first of the 'new order' that had prevailed since the 1890s. Subsequent major splits, in 1947/8 and 1991/2 were followed by 'kiss and make up' declarations two years later, in 1950 (not very successful) and 1994 (very successful).

Was 1937 to be such a declaration? I think so, but WWII got in the way and spoilt the party. Some vintage '37 was bottled, but most got left in cask, with the result that '37 is arguably the finest Colheita year of the 20th century, and also quite plentiful in that regard.

2) What of the VP that WAS bottled?

When producers have had really good port, but no declaration to sell into, it is not that unusual for them to bottle a quantity for personal use. This stock often lacks full paperwork. My guess is that someone (probably called Shepherd..) got offered a bin of such stock.

3) How could it be sold?

With a little difficulty. The corks probably only say 'Vintage 1937' with no shipper mentioned. The loose string probably once held a bin tag, possibly of embossed lead. He would probably have received a stock of bottles that were totally anonymous barring the word vintage and date 1937 on the cork.

Without any info on alcohol strength, he had to guess. Not being a graphic designer, his label was a tad crude and he borrowed some formatting ideas from Noval.

4) Is it genuine?

It probably is port of the 1937 vintage, and was probably selected for it's superior quality. But also, it probably isn't a recognised vintage port.

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So just to clarify for my own understanding, you suspect this would have been bottled in Portugal in the rough timeframe of VP, and later sold off to "Shepherd" at some point down the line, rather than it being sold in cask to "Shepherd" and bottled post sale (and thus probably post war and probably as a young bottled Colheita)?


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Bradley Bogdan wrote:So just to clarify for my own understanding, you suspect this would have been bottled in Portugal in the rough timeframe of VP, and later sold off to "Shepherd" at some point down the line, rather than it being sold in cask to "Shepherd" and bottled post sale (and thus probably post war and probably as a young bottled Colheita)?


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As Tom mentioned, 1937 was a vintage that by and large was never bottled as VP. A fantastic year, so a shame we don't have lots of VP of it. I guess we can't complain as we've got lots of fantastic Colheita's instead. Anyways...by the time it was ready to bottle for VP, 1939, the war was well underway. Glass bottles were hard to come by, no one had money to buy, shipping was problematic, and many a company was struggling financially. 1937 was largely kept in wood as a result. The Casa do Douro ended up with a fair amount of it. Which was later sold off to those who wanted it.

Off the top of my head I can't recall ever seeing a 1937 VP, not that there probably isn't a few floating around, probably in a producers cellar.
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you suspect this would have been bottled in Portugal in the rough timeframe of VP, and later sold off to "Shepherd" at some point down the line, rather than it being sold in cask
Yes, the bottle indicates a Portuguese bottling.
and thus probably post war and probably as a young bottled Colheita
The word 'vintage' on the cork makes it more likely to be in the style of a VP rather than a colheita, so more likely to have been bottled in 1939/40.
I can't recall ever seeing a 1937 VP
I have Hoopers and Gilbert, but that's all.
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Tom Archer wrote:Was 1937 to be such a declaration? I think so, but WWII got in the way and spoilt the party. Some vintage '37 was bottled, but most got left in cask, with the result that '37 is arguably the finest Colheita year of the 20th century, and also quite plentiful in that regard.
I agree. It sometimes seems odd that there are so many truely superb Colheitas from 1937, but put into historical perspective it makes much more sense. And at least for me, there's no doubt at all. 1937 is easily the finest Colheita vintage on record. There may be an odd bottling here and there from some other year that equal or even surpass bottles from 1937, but on the whole there's just no comparison. Most vintages are lucky to have 2, maybe 3 superb Colheitas. 1937 has easily 5-7, and that's likely because I haven't had the chance to taste more than that. Every single one that I've found has been fantastic, including Moreira (provided you give it a week-long decant).
Tom Archer wrote:The word 'vintage' on the cork makes it more likely to be in the style of a VP rather than a colheita, so more likely to have been bottled in 1939/40.
I'm not as confident of this as you are, simply because back in those days there were a lot of weird things put on labels. While I agree with the earlier comment that "Port of the 1937 Vintage" would have been more normal than "Vintage 1937 Port" for a Colheita, this label does very clearly say "Matured in Cask" which you basically never see on a Vintage Port. Vintage Port is always matured in bottle, not in cask. So my guess would be as Brad said - it was probably bottled post-war and is therefore a "young" Colheita with 8-10 years in wood.
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The bottle is from the 1980s so I also think this is a colheita. To me this looks like a port which was "found" in a cellar and bottled for a wine merchant called Shepherd. It may even have been private family stock that was bought up and bottled rather than being something made by one of the it shippers.

I believe this is a genuine me bottle and look forward to hearing what it tastes like.
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The Shepherds's 1937 is now history. The cork was soft, and for the first time, the Durand didnt make it come out in one piece....Had vintage 1937 written on it.
The Corks condition tells me, that it was +50 years old

The port was very cloudy.
A bit like a colheita, sweet and fat. Nothing special. An ordinary port....
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