Barbeito's special designations

[Andreas Platt]

Hi!

To all experts out there I was wondering about the different "lines" that our highly-appreciated producer has been bottling.

I have in mind:

- regular "Barbeito"
- Quinta do Serrado
- MMV
- MVB
- FV

Does anyone have an idea or knowledge about the distinctions or in which period before mentioned have been produced?

Are there more "special labels" I'm not aware of?

Thanks

[Eric Ifune]

The regular Barbeito are the regular wines.
The added designations are the original source of the wines. I'll have to look up what they all mean.

[Glenn E.]

I think this is what they all mean:

Quinta do Serrado should be obvious - single-quinta wines from Quinta do Serrado.

MMV - Ricardo's mother's initials - Maria Manuela Vasconcelos. Used for wines of historical significance that she helped protect. These can come from a variety of sources, including the Favilla Viera family listed below.

MBV - Ricardo's grandfather's initials - Mario Barbeito Vasconcelos. Used for wines from the family's private stock.

FV - wines from the Favilla Viera family stocks that Barbeito acquired.

[Andreas Platt]

dublicate

[Andreas Platt]

Hi Glen!

QdS: was at Camara do Lobos & belonged to the Henriques. First bottled end of 1980ies; I am not aware of a later bottling although the bottlings exist in a variety of labels, stencils, handwritings on the bottle's front. I was surprised to see 14 different QdSs on CT and even some recent Vintage Madeiras (1985, 1976,...) as well as 2 H&Hs from QdS.

MMV: in combination with FV I have never seen this designation; besides I think MMVs have been introduced in the 2010s and are primarily from the period 1880-1895, which makes sense; interestingly one on CT is: 1977V which I doubt to be MMV in fact.

MBV: no idea about the differences of these since even the legendary 1834M exists with MBV. On CT around 20 different MBVs show up. Was this designation also first used in the 2010s? I think so.

FV: Again, around 20 different wines on CT, again, I suspect around the 2010s.

There also "seems" to be a Afonso "AF" designation with 3 Malvazias from the 19th century (1834M...different to THE 1834M?, 1882B, 1886M) as well as a 2003M(???).

And last, I wanted to mention that there are the special Ribeiro Real bottling RR which consist of 1864M, 1882M, 1893M(bottled 2015) and 1891B (bottled 2019).

[Andreas Platt]

and some RR

[Eric Ifune]

I believe Ricardo wishes to be precise in the designation of a wine's origin.
FV is for Favilla Vieira a grower family with several vineyards. If Ricardo knows it's from the Ribeiro Real Vineyard, he'll call it RR. If from the family but unsure of the vineyard, he'll call it FV. BTW I think the RR vineyard is in the Estreito de Camera dos Lobos.
MMV indeed stands for Maria Manuela Vasconcelos, Ricardo's mother. These are from demijohns laid down by her. She ran the company before Ricardo. Occasionally you'll see MMVF with the F for Freitas, her married name.
MEF is for Manuel Eurgenio Fernandes, a grower in Seixal on the north shore. He was a good friend of Ricardo's mother and would visit after work to share a glass of old Malvasia.
I have also seen MH for Matilde Hernandez who was Ricardo's father's mother. The vineyard was in Campanerio.
Also FC for Francisco Costa, a grower but I don't know where the vineyards were.

[Andreas Platt]

I believe Ricardo wishes to be precise in the designation of a wine's origin.

You are right, Ricardo is always stating with accuracy what is being bottled.

FV is for Favilla Vieira a grower family with several vineyards. If Ricardo knows it's from the Ribeiro Real Vineyard, he'll call it RR. If from the family but unsure of the vineyard, he'll call it FV. BTW I think the RR vineyard is in the Estreito de Camera dos Lobos.

Never seen a FV in combination with RR, so if anyone can share a picture I would highly appreciate!
RR: quoted from NCossarts book: "...RR lies in the valley dividing Estreito de CdL from Campanario and belongs to H&H. In the 70ies they shipped some RR, Verdelho 1858, to New York..."..."old label with the initials V.L....were the initials of Virginia Lomelino".
As it seems only 2 of those bottles are included in CT.
I am not sure if the RR nowadays is exactly the RR once owned by H&H, or if its boundaries have been modified.

MMV indeed stands for Maria Manuela Vasconcelos, Ricardo's mother. These are from demijohns laid down by her. She ran the company before Ricardo. Occasionally you'll see MMVF with the F for Freitas, her married name.

Never seen a MMVF, which wines were bottled under this name?

MEF is for Manuel Eurgenio Fernandes, a grower in Seixal on the north shore. He was a good friend of Ricardo's mother and would visit after work to share a glass of old Malvasia.

I have also seen MH for Matilde Hernandez who was Ricardo's father's mother. The vineyard was in Campanerio.

Sorry to correct you but her name was Matilde HENRIQUES!

Also FC for Francisco Costa, a grower but I don't know where the vineyards were.

Besides the typos (quick typing kills) EuRgenio and CampanErio thanks for the insights & again, pictures and additional infos (vintage and wines) would be appreciated.

Maybe just one add-on: there is of course also the Faja dos Padres bottling, but I would count this towards regular Barbeito.