1977 corks and bottles

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Stuart Chatfield
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1977 corks and bottles

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I've seen a number of passing references to question marks over the sealing of 77s.

Some notes say the corks were bad, I seem to remember one saying that the bottle necks were not quite perfect. Either way there seem to be some doubts over the closure.

Does anyone know anything specific about this? I think Roy mentions it on one of his Taylor notes so maybe he can help.

This would seem a pity as, surely, of all post war vintages this one is built to last and it would be a shame if they had their lives shortened across the board by a fault. :cry:

I suppose this is the flip side of removing the inconsistency and bottle variation from when they were shipped in pipe and bottled in England. Then, although you have to discount some bad bottlings, there would not have been consistent faults on everything.
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As I mentioned in a post (long ago now), I have had some issues with 1977 Warre's that were cork weevil infested. This likely happened after shipment and were sold through Trader Joe's. The other is 1977 Taylor's where I have had both good corks and bad corks. The wine in this instence is still quite good (actually it's excellent!). I'm opting to drinking the ones that are leaking sooner rather than later.

I had been suggested to me many years ago that the port producers didn't buy quality corks that year, or didn't know how to properly cork their own wines but I believe that statement is completely untrue.

Otherwise, I have had excellent luck with 1977 corks.

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dspriggs wrote:or didn't know how to properly cork their own wines but I believe that statement is completely untrue.

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I don't think this is true either. There is much said, assuming that Oporto bottlers were somehow learning something new from 75 onwards (and that English ones were all appallling amateurs before). I am sure in both cases most port was bottled by very experienced people.

Maybe Roy knows of any technical problems that year?
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Sorry I wasn't more clear. I meant that I believe that both statements are untrue.
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dspriggs wrote:Sorry I wasn't more clear. I meant that I believe that both statements are untrue.
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Yes I knew you meant that to both - I wasn't clear either!
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The only thing I've read about leaky bottles of 1977 VP is in this WS article by James Suckling from 1997 (sorry, subscribers to WS online only).

To quote (context: mr. Suckling is discussion bottle variation in his tastings of the '77 Vintage:

First, Port shippers have always said that variances in bottles of '77 exist due to a slight design flaw that can lead to leaky bottles.
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Post by Ronald Wortel »

Some of my Taylor's 1977 have been leaking as well, I tasted one of those. It was excellent, but somewhat more developed than a perfect bottle.
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