Vintage Trivia

[Roy Hersh]

Andy interpreted my question spot on. There was no "trick" to this question.

Henrik got the Vargellas correctly. I was not asking about the VInha Velha, just the regular Vargellas releases. As to 1912 bottle photo, that is unfortunately on the FB page of For The Love of Port.

[Henrik Lilja]

Andy interpreted my question spot on. There was no "trick" to this question.

Henrik got the Vargellas correctly. I was not asking about the VInha Velha, just the regular Vargellas releases. As to 1912 bottle photo, that is unfortunately on the FB page of For The Love of Port.

Couldn't find it there either!?

[Rob C.]

A follow up question (i don't know the answer, but would very much like to!).

When did Malvedos cease being labelled as a "Crusted Port" and start being labelled as a "Vintage Port"?

Was this on acquisition by the Symingtons (and therefore, either the 1964 or 65 vintage of Malvedos)?

[Glenn E.]

A follow up question (i don't know the answer, but would very much like to!).

When did Malvedos cease being labelled as a "Crusted Port" and start being labelled as a "Vintage Port"?

Was this on acquisition by the Symingtons (and therefore, either the 1964 or 65 vintage of Malvedos)?

Don't know if it helps, but I have a '64 and it is labeled a VP.

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[Rob C.]

Interesting - that indicates something.

I think that the 1962 was original released with a "Crusted Port" label (and from UK merchants' lists seems to have been sold alongside the other crusteds and LBVs rather than vintage ports).



The 65 that i am looking after for someone in my fridge is - like your 64 - labelled "vintage port". But it is clearly a later release (IVDP selo rather than the old IVP selo, and the label is clearly from the last 15 years rather than a label from late 60s / early 70s), so it wasn't clear to me whether, on first release, it originally bore the same type of label as the 62 before going through a "re-branding" at a later date.

[Andy Velebil]

I received word on why these Malvedos Ports are labeled as Crusted. In those days label regulations were less clearly defined. These are believed to be solely from the Quinta and labeled as "Crusted" to distinguish it from Declared years. These were bottled two years after harvest just like a standard VP.

[Rob C.]

These are believed to be solely from the Quinta

Ah - ok - so there was a Malvedos 62 vintage port (not single quinta) and a separate Malvedos 62 Crusted Port (single quinta crusted)?

[Derek T.]

I received word on why these Malvedos Ports are labeled as Crusted. In those days label regulations were less clearly defined. These are believed to be solely from the Quinta and labeled as "Crusted" to distinguish it from Declared years. These were bottled two years after harvest just like a standard VP.

"solely from the Quinta" is interesting given the general history of Malvedos. The wines sold under that label were branded "Malvedos" until the 1998 harvest when "Qunita dos Malvedos" was used for the first time. The reason being that the Malvedos wine has always been produced from the same vineyards, but some of those vineyards did not belong to Graham, and were not part of Quinta dos Malvedos, until that year.

[Andy Velebil]

I received word on why these Malvedos Ports are labeled as Crusted. In those days label regulations were less clearly defined. These are believed to be solely from the Quinta and labeled as "Crusted" to distinguish it from Declared years. These were bottled two years after harvest just like a standard VP.

"solely from the Quinta" is interesting given the general history of Malvedos. The wines sold under that label were branded "Malvedos" until the 1998 harvest when "Qunita dos Malvedos" was used for the first time. The reason being that the Malvedos wine has always been produced from the same vineyards, but some of those vineyards did not belong to Graham, and were not part of Quinta dos Malvedos, until that year.

I'm following up on this and report back what I learn.

[Andy Velebil]

I have received more info on the differences between these older Malvedos Crusted and non-Crusted Ports. From what is known that difference is "Zero." Both labels were from Malvedos and the adjoining vineyards (which is now part of the Quinta). Both were bottled two years after harvest. The Graham's family apparently were not sure what to call them since the regulations were not clearly defined at the time. Interesting....

[Rob C.]

The reason being that the Malvedos wine has always been produced from the same vineyards, but some of those vineyards did not belong to Graham, and were not part of Quinta dos Malvedos, until that year.

Was just reading through the old TNs - according to Roy's old note here it was the 1986 that was the first truly "single quinta" Malvedos vintage port (technically speaking, and although not labelled as such). That's a good earlier than i had previously realised.

[Andy Velebil]

Rob,

As in my earlier post and from the article I wrote about the Malvedos tasting in London a couple years ago. That information was from Paul Symington (the family history buff) who specifically sent me said info for the article I wrote. Here's the important part..

It wasn’t until the mid-1990’s where all the grapes finally came from the Quinta, and in 1998 the label was changed to “Quinta dos Malvedos” to reflex that.