It could be kosher...

[Tom Archer]

Have a look at this link:

http://www.nickollsandperks.co.uk/detai ... t=13&path=

Note the fresh modern label, foiled capsule and recent looking IVDP seal.

Have Ramos Pinto dug out a stash of old bottles and tarted them up for sale?

Tom

[simon Lisle]

I've seen a number of these come up at auction all 1945.If I remember rightly they were going for around 200 euros.

[Tom Archer]

Am I alone in feeling that I would have much more confidence in this bottle if it was caked in grime, had a barely legible slip label, and a cork that showed the visible degradations of seven decades?

In the same vein, I am slightly twitchy about Ferreira's ancient bottles - aside from being relatively numerous, and always sporting modern labels, they never seem to have poor fill levels...

Tom

[Andy Velebil]

Yeah I agree, The IVDP seal, label, and foil are all newer styles.

Does anyone (Roy?) have a contact with them to see if these are recently released ex-cellar bottles and find out the story behind these.

[Frederick Blais]

I have a good contact at Ramos Pinto, I'll try to get info from him regarding this bottle.

[Fred_Quebec]

Just wanted to let you know that I did not yet have an answer. 95% of People of the wine trade in Europe are on vacation right now, hopefuly I should get an answer before September.

Edit: Weird.... I logged with the same information as usual and it seems to have created another user... well my old one.

[Frederick Blais]

Il est fort possible que cette bouteille soit authentique. Le numéro du
timbre nous indique que la bouteille a été étiquetée le 29 Septembre
1986. Maintenant, il faut savoir si la bouteille a été bien gardée
pendant les dernières 20 années?

Here is the answer. I'll translate it.

This bottle looks authentic, according to the IDVP seel, the bottle was labeled on the 29th of September 1986. From this it is now important to know how was the bottle stored for the last 20 years.

Hope this helps

[Andy Velebil]

Fred,
Thanks for getting the info.

So if it was labeled in 1986, i assume it is a cohleita? And I assume it was also bottled in 1986.

(BTW, Fred, glad to see your using your correct log-in profile now )

[Frederick Blais]

No Andy, it is not a Colheita, it was labeled in 1986. It means that they removed it from they lodges to release it on the market. As you'll notice in your upcoming trip with Roy, the bottles stored in the cellar do not have any labels or IDVP seel. They put it only when they release it on the market. This is why you often see the same product with different labels over the time.

[Andy Velebil]

thanks Fred, That makes perfect sense.

Just when i thought I was getting a handle on all these regulations :? So, Theoretically, even though the seal did not come about until the 1933 regulations I guess you could get a pre-1900 bottle of VP, that if held in celler, and released in 2006, it would have a current IVDP seal and a new label?

[Frederick Blais]

That is correct!

[Tom Archer]

Fred, thanks for your digging - do you know how your friend deciphered that IVDP number?

Tom

PS - Out of curiosity, what do those Niepoort Garrafeira bon-bons hold?

T

[Frederick Blais]

Fred, thanks for your digging - do you know how your friend deciphered that IVDP number?

Tom

PS - Out of curiosity, what do those Niepoort Garrafeira bon-bons hold?

T

I don't know how he did that, he is sales director of Ramos Pinto, maybe he is access to a listing that Ramos Pinto is keeping up to date.

For the Niepoort Garrafeira, it is from the 1986 harvest. Was it what you wanted to know?

[Roy Hersh]

I could be wrong, but thought Tom might be refering to the 11 liters or so that the demijohns hold.

[simon Lisle]

I would like to thank Fred for the facts he has given us I did not know that they could do that.

[Roy Hersh]

The IVDP has always been able to provide the information by Seal of Guarantee number ... to a producer. They just don't release the same information to a consumer or journalist.