What is the Graham Velsec Port wine

[peter dias]

What is the Graham Velsec Port wine is a tawny wine or reserva and can u please tell me which year it was made

[Eric Menchen]

Fascinating, but I have no idea.

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[Alan McDonald]

Searching likely possibilities for info revealed nothing except that there are a few on various sites like ebay and that it is a Tawny.

Others more knowledgeable than me may contradict this, but I beieve Graham's (the real Port people) always show the name as Graham's whereas the photos I found of this Port all show Graham. This suggest to me that it is not a Graham's Port. Is it in fact a genuine Port? The main part of the label says Seco yet in the bottom corner it says meio seco. I would not expect a Graham's to have two conflicting descriptions on the label. Also I have not previously seen the word fino on a Port bottle, but there are a lot of bottles I have not seen. As I say, I could be wrong and it may be one of Graham's. I hope somebody else does know.

[Derek T.]

The signature on the label also suggests that this s a different company. Graham's the Port producer are "W & J Graham" whereas this label says "G. J. Graham". Perhaps a member of the Graham family formed a different company?

[Andy Velebil]

The "Aloirado" seems to suggest this is a white Port, if my interpretation of it is correct that is. There are some things that don't add up, as already mentioned. Possibly a white Port???? Is there a picture of the capsule to see if a Selo is on it? And a back label?

[Derek T.]

The "Aloirado" seems to suggest this is a white Port, if my interpretation of it is correct that is.

Andy, I found a number of hits on google last night where "Aloirado" was said to mean "Tawny".

[Andy Velebil]

The "Aloirado" seems to suggest this is a white Port, if my interpretation of it is correct that is.

Andy, I found a number of hits on google last night where "Aloirado" was said to mean "Tawny".

That's what happens when Google translate goes wrong hahaha


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[Bradley Bogdan]

Not much more to add from my searching other than this: http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,01 ... age,E.html

Which seems to indicate the seller doesn't assume a high value as the bidding is at 1€


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[Bradley Bogdan]

Another auction http://oportunityleiloes.auctionserver. ... lot/28698/


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[Andy Velebil]

It has an old Selo and a t-cork. I suspect it's probably drinkable but not exactly a 1970 Graham's VP in quality or worth

[Moses Botbol]

Meio Seco is medium dry.

[Alan McDonald]

Andy, A quick Portuguese lesson. The verb aloirar means to brown meat. At the same time it also means to bleach hair. I still doubt that it is a genuine Port, either Tawny or White, although I plump for a fake Tawny. My main reason being the use of the word Fino, which apart from the obvious "fine" can also mean thin, handsome, keen or sharp as in a sense of smell, and several other things. Try needing to actually speak the language.

Bradley, Your first link is for the label only. Note that it is different to the label on the various bottles advertised around the internet. My previous post referred to the "meio seco" in the bottom right corner, which as Moses correctly says means Medium Dry - meio meaning half. I also noted in that post that the label says it is Seco (Dry). The photo of the label offered for sale does not have either aloirado or meio seco on it.

It would be interesting to hear if the OP bought a bottle.

[Glenn E.]

That's not the usual Graham's signature that we're used to, is it? So this is maybe some other Graham?

Compare to this, just as an example:

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Edit: Like Derek already pointed out.

[Eric Menchen]

Those two signatures look pretty close to me.

[Glenn E.]

The handwriting does look similar, but the bottle we're used to is signed "Wm. & J Graham" while the new one is signed "G. J. Graham" or possibly "G. & J. Graham".

[Eric Menchen]

Yes, I was referring to the handwriting shape, not the first initial(s); as well as the similarly shaped flourish at the end for Co.

[Alan McDonald]

Eric/Glenn, So do you think it is a Port or a Fake? The signature similarity would be intentional in a fake. Have you ever seen a Roflex watch?

[Glenn E.]

Given the incredibly diverse history of Port it's hard to say for sure that an old bottle like this is truly fake, but like you I lean toward something that's not a Port as we think of it today. There are just too many hints to that effect on the label, such as the words you've already pointed out - aloirado, fino (more typically associated with sherry) and even meio seco.

I'd would be interested in trying a bottle like this, but with the expectation that it is not actually Port but possibly something similar.