Recap of a Port Evening
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Recap of a Port Evening
1975 Taylors Vintage Port - Golden burnt orange and moderate I weight. Light berry aromas that are a little sharp, touch of maple honey. The brandy is pronounced, orange and with a spicy, syrupy finish. Mature. Have had this before is this far and away a better showing. This was the WOTN by the group by a large margin--all but one had it either #1 or #2.
91 Points
1960 Ferreira Vintage Port - Saturated cork; had leaked a little. Faded red orange brick to light rust--rim runs to clear yellow, just a tad cloudy. Most said this had a musty odor; I perceived it as dried stalks of wood. Light aerie and delicate, the flavors take time to discern but I picked up cherry-strawberry in a gentle finish that lingers. Little touches of tar, sweet prune. I love how delicate this port is; if you pay attention and are patient you will be rewarded with little bits of different nuanced flavors.
93 Points
1978 Croft Quinta da Roeda - Pastel burnt orange-looks like sherry. Clear. Touch of vanilla on nose. A bit of berry, cooked plum and finishes better than it starts. This lacks good structure and may be past its prime; on its own is fine but with competition shrinks. Paid $37, so a good one at that price.
88 Points
Harvey's Gold Cap Ruby Port - Found in a family liquor closet, it looks quite old (I'm guessing 1950-1965). Provenance was poor (upright and is a warm closet). A beautiful burnt yellow color but this was clearly oxidized and undrinkable.
N/R
1991 Smith Woodhouse Vintage Port - Lovely light brick red, almost a pastel middle. Strong berry aromas, just a little damson plum and white pepper. Warm sweet red fruits, mostly berry, a little mint. Sweet and nicely balanced with a smooth moderate finish. Quite pleasing.
91 Points
1995 Souza Vintage Port - Light brick garnet red but a little cloudy. Strong prune, light plum aroma. Mature grape, a little rhubarb but seems thin. Enjoyable yet this bottle seems a tad off from prior ones.
89 Points
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Re: Recap of a Port Evening
Nice write-up, John, thanks!
The couple of times that I've had the 1960 Ferreira, it was... well it was a typical Ferreira. And as old as that one is, there's a fair number of people who just don't find they style all that interesting. I do also find that it seems more susceptible to an off nose - not that it happens more frequently, but that when it happens it more fully covers up the otherwise pleasant but elegant nose. So yeah, if there was a little bottle stink at the time of the tasting, it could have really sidelined it.
I'm a little surprised that the '91 SW didn't perform better... their Ports are usually pretty big sleepers in lineups.
The couple of times that I've had the 1960 Ferreira, it was... well it was a typical Ferreira. And as old as that one is, there's a fair number of people who just don't find they style all that interesting. I do also find that it seems more susceptible to an off nose - not that it happens more frequently, but that when it happens it more fully covers up the otherwise pleasant but elegant nose. So yeah, if there was a little bottle stink at the time of the tasting, it could have really sidelined it.
I'm a little surprised that the '91 SW didn't perform better... their Ports are usually pretty big sleepers in lineups.
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Re: Recap of a Port Evening
I've only had one 1975, a Croft, and it was unexpectedly tasty. I think there may be some good QPR wines from this vintage. It might not be 1970 or 1977, but it isn't priced like those either. (And then there's the whole 1977 debate about consistency, etc.)
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Re: Recap of a Port Evening
Only '75 I have ever had was a Graham's Magnum. It showed a bit more youthful than the Taylor described here and was very good. Perhap's the aging in the Magnum is a bit slower ... not sure if there is any proof of this hypothesis but is seems logical. Like my assumption that 375s age fasted than 750s, but again ... not sure if there is proof of that.
Re: Recap of a Port Evening
Thanks for the write up John.
Ferreira is amazing. One of my favourite ports of this year was the 1985 vintage from Ferreira. Extremely delicious.
Regarding the 1975 vintage. I have only had 2 of them; Dow's and Graham's. In my opinion they were both over the hill and not much substance to either of them flavour-wise any longer.
Ferreira is amazing. One of my favourite ports of this year was the 1985 vintage from Ferreira. Extremely delicious.
Regarding the 1975 vintage. I have only had 2 of them; Dow's and Graham's. In my opinion they were both over the hill and not much substance to either of them flavour-wise any longer.
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Re: Recap of a Port Evening
The bigger the bottle, the smaller the glass surface area to volume ratio. So if there is any temperature variation in storage, a smaller bottle can be more subject to this.Gary Richardson wrote:Perhap's the aging in the Magnum is a bit slower ... not sure if there is any proof of this hypothesis but is seems logical. Like my assumption that 375s age fasted than 750s, but again ... not sure if there is proof of that.
Corks in 375 are typically the same size as 750 for cross section area, and sometimes shorter. That means the smaller bottle has a greater amount of air exchange per volume as well compared to the larger bottle. As for magnums, I think the last one I opened had a standard wine cork, so less air exchange per volume compared to a 750. But I've also opened oversized bottles that had oversized corks, so those might not be different on that front.