Ramos Pinto Jubileu 1880 - 1930

[h booger]

Hello,

Please somebody can share more information about this bottle? Thanks

[Andy Velebil]

(EDIT: I've resized the picture so it's easier to see).

The bottom appears to say something along the lines of it will throw a deposit (I think) so I suspect it's a more basic or mid level Ruby Port. While it probably still drinks sorta ok, I wouldn't hold out hope for greatness. That translates into not being worth much money. Like the Madeira, open it with friends and hope for the best. But have a back up bottle just in case.

[h booger]

Hello again,



Thanks for your words and resize photo.

I do some search on stores in Portugal, and seems this bottle come out for the celebration of the first 50 years of the Company " Ramos Pinto" and the prices was around 195€ -274€ and "Garrafeira Nacional" asks 490€ price and the bottle are not available. Some say is like a blend ranging 1880 -1930 but others have not sure.

https://www.garrafeiranacional.com/ramo ... porto.html

[Glenn E.]

Tinto alourado translates to "red ale", but a slightly different spelling of "tinto aloirado" translates to "auburn."

Which leads me to guess that this may have been a tawny Port meant for the Brazilian market? That would also make sense if it were a celebratory Port for the company's first 50 years.

Either way (a basic/mid-level Ruby, or a tawny bottled in 1930), Andy is correct. It'll probably still drink okay, but I wouldn't hope for greatness.

For what it's worth, Garrafeira Nacional is a great resource for finding rare Port, but their prices tend to be extremely high. The value of this bottle probably comes entirely from its rarity and not from the quality of the Port, though, so for the right buyer it could be worth G.N. prices.

[Andy Velebil]

For what it's worth, Garrafeira Nacional is a great resource for finding rare Port, but their prices tend to be extremely high. The value of this bottle probably comes entirely from its rarity and not from the quality of the Port, though, so for the right buyer it could be worth G.N. prices.

There is a reason G.N. still has this for sale...no one in their right mind wants to spend that kind of money for it. That says a lot right there.

[Glenn E.]

For what it's worth, Garrafeira Nacional is a great resource for finding rare Port, but their prices tend to be extremely high. The value of this bottle probably comes entirely from its rarity and not from the quality of the Port, though, so for the right buyer it could be worth G.N. prices.

There is a reason G.N. still has this for sale...no one in their right mind wants to spend that kind of money for it. That says a lot right there.

Yeah there's a big difference between a listing and a sale, amirite?

[h booger]

Thanks Glen for your words.

I not know if this edition comes out for the Brazilian Market. Each label have a different number in front of the words " Tinto Alourado Doce".

From what I see usually prices for Garrafeira Nacional are 50 - 67% above than the auction houses. Maybe fair value for this bottle will be around 100- 160€ range ?

[Glenn E.]

Maybe fair value for this bottle will be around 100- 160€ range ?

I suspect that it has no real value, other than as a collector's item. As the others have said, it appears to be a basic level Port which would not have been intended to be aged. As such, its contents probably will not have done well over the years. The Port is probably still drinkable, but it probably will not be anything special when it is opened.

But as I said before, if you can find someone who is interested in this bottle as a collector's item, there's no telling what they might pay for it. There's even some chance, albeit low, that Ramos Pinto themselves might be interested in it for historical purposes. It's very hard to say, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about making any real money off of this bottle.

[Andy Velebil]

For context, I'd pay no more than about 30 Euros for it, just out of curiosity sake.

To add to what Glenn mentioned, Ramos Pinto was the largest wine importer to South America in the early 1900's, Brazil being their biggest market. So it would make sense this was probably earmarked for that market.

[h booger]

30€ is too low but if someone give offer for 100€ make a sell :) ... I have more than one bottle.

My guess price comes for the fact some bottles of "Tinto aloirado doce" like Century Port 1845-1945 J.H. Andersen are selling around 136€ on auctions. I not expect to much about price and quality of this bottles, only because are mark bottles of the celebration of the 50th anniversary have some value.

https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/109 ... ttle-72-cl

[Al B.]

I tasted a glass of the Ramos Pinto Jubileum Port from the wine dispenser at Garrafeira Nacional's shop in Porto on my last visit in October this year.

From the taste, my guess is that it would have been the equivalent of what today could labelled as a 50YO tawny (or, possibly, white). I know that Ramos Pinto had only been in existence for 50 years at the time this was bottled in 1930, but from the taste of the wine I suspect they called in a few favours from the farmers who were regular suppliers and made a blend of wines which were - on average - about the same age as the company.

It was a really interesting wine to taste. Pleasingly dry, with ginger the dominant fruit (I know, ginger isn't a fruit, but you know what I mean). Full of dried fruit, dried herbs and lots of green grapefruit acidity keeping the wine vibrant and full of life after having been in the bottle for nearly a century. I scored it at 90/100.

I wouldn't pay €100 for a bottle of the wine. I wouldn't pay €28 for another glass of the wine from GN. But I am glad I did once and have had the chance to taste a wine which is part of the history of a producer whose style I love.

[Will W.]

I tasted a glass of the Ramos Pinto Jubileum Port from the wine dispenser at Garrafeira Nacional's shop in Porto on my last visit in October this year.

From the taste, my guess is that it would have been the equivalent of what today could labelled as a 50YO tawny (or, possibly, white). I know that Ramos Pinto had only been in existence for 50 years at the time this was bottled in 1930, but from the taste of the wine I suspect they called in a few favours from the farmers who were regular suppliers and made a blend of wines which were - on average - about the same age as the company.

It was a really interesting wine to taste. Pleasingly dry, with ginger the dominant fruit (I know, ginger isn't a fruit, but you know what I mean). Full of dried fruit, dried herbs and lots of green grapefruit acidity keeping the wine vibrant and full of life after having been in the bottle for nearly a century. I scored it at 90/100.

I wouldn't pay €100 for a bottle of the wine. I wouldn't pay €28 for another glass of the wine from GN. But I am glad I did once and have had the chance to taste a wine which is part of the history of a producer whose style I love.

Fascinating, as ever, Alex. Not infrequently, I have seen this wine on offer at Portuguese auctions - if I recall, going for about EUR 75 - though I had no idea what was in the bottle.