1941 Garrafeira Velha

This forum is for discussing all things Port (as in from PORTugal) - vintages, recommendations, tasting notes, etc.

Moderators: Glenn E., Roy Hersh, Andy Velebil

Post Reply
User avatar
Shawn Denkler
Posts: 185
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:21 am
Location: Napa, California, United States of America - USA

1941 Garrafeira Velha

Post by Shawn Denkler »

1941 leather disk small.jpg
1941 leather disk small.jpg (45.72 KiB) Viewed 390 times
1941 Noval label small.jpg
1941 Noval label small.jpg (45.86 KiB) Viewed 390 times
In the 1980s I bought a bottle of Quinta do Noval Garrafeira Velha at auction. It is still in good condition after all these years. I have wanted to drink it with knowledgeable port people. I've just never been to a tasting of older colheitas & garrafeiras to include it in.

It was bottled in 1941. How old do people think it might have been when bottled?

It has a leather disk from Noval around the neck, I've never seen anything like it.
Shawn Denkler, "Portmaker" Quinta California Cellars
Moses Botbol
Posts: 6037
Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:38 am
Location: Boston, USA

Re: 1941 Garrafeira Velha

Post by Moses Botbol »

Is that a Garrafeira in the way Niepoort does or just a Colheita?
Welsh Corgis | F1 |British Cars
User avatar
Glenn E.
Posts: 8382
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:49 am
Location: Sammamish, Washington, United States of America - USA
Contact:

Re: 1941 Garrafeira Velha

Post by Glenn E. »

Moses Botbol wrote:Is that a Garrafeira in the way Niepoort does or just a Colheita?
Pretty sure that in this case we're talking about an "old bottling" rather than a style of Port. I've had many "Garrafeira Particular" from other producers that have nothing to do with the Garrafeira style of Port.

I really have no idea on age prior to bottling. As I recall the original Niepoort VV was around 50-80 years old on average when bottled, but those V's (for vinha velha) may not have anything in common with this one.
Glenn Elliott
User avatar
Roy Hersh
Site Admin
Posts: 21829
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:27 am
Location: Porto, PT
Contact:

Re: 1941 Garrafeira Velha

Post by Roy Hersh »

This is a different label, but it is clearly what we think of as Colheita. As I brought from home a 1941 Noval Colheita, to open for Noval's winemaker, Antonio Agrellos, (he loved it!); same juice, different label and possibly a different release date. Garrafeira translated directly to "cellar" in English. MANY old bottles had that on Port and even table wine labels back in the day.
Ambition driven by passion, rather than money, is as strong an elixir as is Port. http://www.fortheloveofport.com
User avatar
Andy Velebil
Posts: 16811
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:49 pm
Location: Los Angeles, California, United States of America - USA
Contact:

Re: 1941 Garrafeira Velha

Post by Andy Velebil »

The fact that the label says "Bottled in 1941" and no mention of a vintage, I'd guess this is some kind of blend of tawny's. Given the year it was bottled and world events transpiring at that time, I'd guess this was probably meant for a specific customer (importer) at their request. Not a lot of non-essential things were being imported to many countries in 1941.
Andy Velebil Good wine is a good familiar creature if it be well used. William Shakespeare http://www.fortheloveofport.com
Post Reply