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Unknown Terrantez

Posted: Tue May 28, 2024 11:15 am
by Yev Nyden
I got this bottle from Christie's which claimed its origin to be "... the cellar of the first President of Junta Nacional do Vinho Madeira". The Terrantez handwriting faded but is still readable. Though the lot mentioned a stenciled label, I was not able to find any traces of it. Looking at the photos of lots with the same provenance, I spotted a very similar new wax capsule on many bottles. I wonder if anyone would know anything about this bottle or might be able to guess its age or the producer/shipper. I'm (wishfully) thinking it's probably from the late 19th.

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Re: Unknown Terrantez

Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 7:06 am
by Andreas Platt
Hi Yev!

Was tempted to bid on some bottles myself.

As for your question it is always hard to tell the origins as long as you haven't seen the cellar yourself, but Chrsties had and so my suggestion is to forward any related questions to Christies themselves...I do know that Madeira head director Mr. Vos is a regular reader here, so I wouldn't be surprised if he made contact to you.

Best

Re: Unknown Terrantez

Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 7:21 am
by Andreas Platt
stencilled label ≠ stencilled bottle.

Re: Unknown Terrantez

Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 9:57 am
by Yev Nyden
Ah, I didn't realize there was a difference. Thanks for pointing that out, Andreas; although I'm still not sure what 'stenciled bottle' mean.

Re: Unknown Terrantez

Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 1:43 pm
by Glenn E.
Yev Nyden wrote: Wed May 29, 2024 9:57 am Ah, I didn't realize there was a difference. Thanks for pointing that out, Andreas; although I'm still not sure what 'stenciled bottle' mean.
Kopke Colheita Port bottles, for example. White printing right onto the bottle.

I have the opposite problem, I can't quite figure out what is meant by a "stenciled label".

Re: Unknown Terrantez

Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 1:48 am
by Eric Ifune
I took a flyer at that auction as well. Assuming the head of the JVM would have some decent stuff in his cellar. I believe the organization started in the 50's but the wine is probably much older.

Re: Unknown Terrantez

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 1:14 pm
by Roy Hersh
Funny, that I had two individual inquire for my guidance on that same bottle.