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I guess it was bound to happen

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:35 pm
by Guest
Ok - many of you in the US may have already encountered this, but it was quite a site for me as I was walking through Costco and spotted "Kirkland" Brand "10 Year Old Tawny Port". (For those not in the US, see the explanation at the bottom of this post.

I pick up the bottle and looked at the back label: "The world renowned winemaking team from Fonseca Guimarens...".

So I picked up a bottle for $15.99 and figure I'll give it a go for a sipper while surfing the forum. Quite tasty, and probably the best $13.99 bottle of Port I've ever had :)

For those not familiar with Costco, they are a US west-coast retailer that are known for selling huge volume of products at extremely low prices. They frequently co-brand merchandise, that is they go out to manufacturers of products and have them produce it under Costco's "Kirkland" brand name, usually at a lower price.

In this case, they are labeling Fonseco 10-Year Tawny as Kirkland 10-year tawny. While I'm not sure if the is the exact same wine as a Fonseca 10-year (perhaps its a different blend or something), I did a quick search on winesearcher Pro and fonseca 10 year is $21-$24, so I'd call that a nice bargin :)

Wikipedia "Costco"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costco

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:40 pm
by Todd Pettinger
The guys in the UK have enjoyed this privilege with their 'house brand' ports for years... (Marks & Spencer, Alda, etc.) I would welcome this. Especially if it IS something as good as Fonseca 10 year.

I'm waiting for that Kirkland Signature Vintage Port (made my the port-making geniuses of, say, Fonseca, Taylor or Niepoort) to hit the market! :cool:

Todd

Kirkland VP

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:09 pm
by Guest
How about a 2003 Kirkland Nacional?

:)

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:21 am
by Andy Velebil
I've seen it in my local Costco too, but havn't tried it. Just may have to grab a bottle and give it a go to see how it is.

As for the Kirkland Nacional...as long as it is in a magnum from the 2006 vintage...I'll buy a case :wink:

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:31 am
by Roy Hersh
I don't believe that the IVDP would allow the BOB (Buyer's Own Brand) to be an identical blend as the Fonseca 10 year old Tawny. However, I think that Vintage Ports that are BOB in other countries, CAN be the same. Anyway, I am not positive about this regulation.

As for another steal of a deal, Trader Joe's had their own "BOB" 10 year old Tawny, but at $9.99 in 2006, and it may still even be there.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:34 am
by Andy Velebil
If im not mistaken, LBV's are the same as the BOB's so I dont see why a VP would not be able too.

Anyone ever seen or heard of a BOB colheita?

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:22 am
by Roy Hersh
Andy,

I apologize if I was not clear. I believe the VPs can be a BOB and of course we know of examples from BB&R and the LBVs are the most common BOBs around. That is what has led to the harm of the financial positions of some of the Port companies. It is one of the real political "hot buttons" in the Port industry at the moment.

With as little production as there is with Colheita and the fact that BOB is predominantly a UK thing compared to here (although popular in other parts of Europe too) and lastly, the TINY amount of Colheita that is sold in the UK to begin with ... I would very highly doubt that there is any BOB Colheita on the market.

Considering the value and rarity of Colheita, what would be the advantage to releasing it to a very large BOB player? There is not enough to go around as it is.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:54 am
by Andy Velebil
Rea the colheita's, I asked because I had never seen or heard of a BOB colheita before and was curious if anyone had ever done it. I've learned not to assume anymore, especially when it comes to port companies....and was thinking along the lines of a small amount that was not up to par for a producer to put their own main label on it, selling it off cheap to a BOB.

Not the Same

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:12 pm
by Moses Botbol
The Kirkland brand 10 year tawny is not the same as the Fonseca 10 year tawny. The part of the story is that Costco sells the Fonseca 10 year tawny as well! Actually, I find the Kirkland 10 year to be much richer, thicker, with a few more flavors going on. It’s been winter since I tried it, and I did post a little on it.

It certainly is the best 10 year tawny deal I have ever seen, and perhaps one of the best 10 year tawny I have tried. The Trader Joe’s “Porto Morgado” 10 year tawny is no where in the same league as this.

The Costco’s in our area are sold out on the Kirkland port. I do have a couple of bottles in my cellar. They only do one run of a product and when it’s gone, it’s gone. Their Champagne is a standout too for $20.00.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:13 pm
by Moses Botbol
Andy V. wrote:I've seen it in my local Costco too, but havn't tried it. Just may have to grab a bottle and give it a go to see how it is.

As for the Kirkland Nacional...as long as it is in a magnum from the 2006 vintage...I'll buy a case :wink:
That stuff is long gone from Costco's in my area :(

Re: Kirkland VP

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:47 pm
by Todd Pettinger
admin wrote:How about a 2003 Kirkland Nacional?

:)
Yeah, it'll be available for only $400/bottle rather than $800 or $1000! ;)

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:53 pm
by Roy Hersh
Rea the colheita's, I asked because I had never seen or heard of a BOB colheita before and was curious if anyone had ever done it. I've learned not to assume anymore, especially when it comes to port companies....and was thinking along the lines of a small amount that was not up to par for a producer to put their own main label on it, selling it off cheap to a BOB.
Now I am getting ahead of myself here. I do know of a "kind of" BOB Colheita, made by a producer with another name on the bottle as well. I believe there are only two bottles of it in the entire world, that have ever left Vila Nova de Gaia. Fascinating and delicious OLD stuff, but I have only had it while in Portugal.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:04 pm
by Andy Velebil
Roy, so do tell.....

Another one...

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:59 pm
by Stewart T.
I was in Costco yesterday, and they had a nice end-cap display of all of the "Kirkland" branded wines...one of which was a Kirkland chateauneuf de pape .... I've seen it all now...

:)

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:26 pm
by Todd Pettinger
Its funny Stewart, the Costco nearest me (the only one of four within the greater-Edmonton area with a liquor store at the moment) carries this particular selection, but not the Kirkland Port. I inquired, but they have no rhyme nor reason to their ordering practices from what I am able to understand...

So I dropped a note into their Comment Box that they should order a few flats of it! :cool:
Maybe one day!

Todd

Re: Another one...

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:34 am
by Moses Botbol
stewart wrote:I was in Costco yesterday, and they had a nice end-cap display of all of the "Kirkland" branded wines...one of which was a Kirkland chateauneuf de pape .... I've seen it all now...

:)
I tried one about two weeks ago and it was amazing. Certainly a wine that would cost 50% under another label. The Kirkland CdP was $20, and I could easily see paying $30-35 for same exact wine. All of their branded products mention the vineyard or producer on the bottle.

I could go on and on about the Rose Champagne for $30.00!!!

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:37 pm
by Roy Hersh
Moses,

Are you alluding to the Rose Champagne being good or otherwise?

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:10 am
by Moses Botbol
Yes, most excellent for the money!!!