FTLOP's OFFICIAL 2017 Vintage Port thread

[Fred FS]

SFE 2017 VP retail prices for Portugal (in Fugas, April 27th 2019):

Graham's "The Stone Terraces": 200€

Capela da Quinta do Vesúvio: 150€

Dow's: 95€

Quinta do Vesúvio: 75€

Warre's: 75€

Cockburn's: 70€

Graham's: 95€

May eventually serve as a reference for other countries...

[Tom Archer]

It seems to be a universal truth that in every wine making region, the top products are priced most highly on the domestic market.

75 euros for Warre '17 puts it on a par with the UK auction price for Warre '77..

[Fred FS]

Yes, unfortunately that seems to be more and more the case.

The fact that the market is arguably much smaller in Portugal can help explain it to a degree, but then again when selling in PT the houses also save on shipping costs, import taxes, etc.
Not even the fact that we have the lowest VAT on wine of the entire EU seems to be of much help in lowering prices.

[Jasper A.]

We have the first 2017 vintage port also online. Bit cheaper then in Portugal.

[David Spriggs]

Graham's "The Stone Terraces": 200€

Wow. 2 X what I paid for the 2016?? I hope not.

[Fred FS]

Last year they were already at 180€. In 2015 at 170€. I bought them both, I hope I won't regret it.
Given the low yields of 2017, I'm not surprised they have raised it up to 200€

[Glenn E.]

Last year they were already at 180€. In 2015 at 170€. I bought them both, I hope I won't regret it.
Given the low yields of 2017, I'm not surprised they have raised it up to 200€

The US and UK prices have held pretty steady for the 3 previously released vintages - basically $225 "retail" but you'll sometimes find a "discount" store selling them for less. I paid around 125 GBP when I bought 2016s last year. I got 2015s at anywhere from 100 to 150 GBP. I bought all of my 2011s in the US so didn't get to see what the UK prices were on release.

Costco had some briefly in the Seattle area, which a couple of us drove around and snatched up. Total Wine gets them once in a while also.

[Andreas Nielsen]

Dow’s is offered “en primeur” here in Denmark @ 75€, 167€ for magnum and 313€ for ‘Tappit hen’.

[Tom Archer]

Dow’s is offered “en primeur” here in Denmark @ 75€, 167€ for magnum and 313€ for ‘Tappit hen’.

Base price aside, the ratios are absurd. I can tolerate a 2% surcharge for magnums over bottles, but not that sort of uplift, and the Tappit hen uplift is just plain crazy..

Sorry, but this sort of pricing policy just makes me think: 'wait until they come to auction..'

[David Spriggs]

For highly allocated California wines it's not unusual to see a markup of 50% for magnums. But it's not Port.

[Jasper A.]

a Fonseca representative is in The Netherlands Tuesday 14 of May. If there any Dutch readers who like to taste a Fonseca 2017 Vintage Port cask sample and enjoy a free tasting. Just message me.

[Andreas Nielsen]

a Fonseca representative is in The Netherlands Tuesday 14 of May. If there any Dutch readers who like to taste a Fonseca 2017 Vintage Port cask sample and enjoy a free tasting. Just message me.

Hope you will write about your impression/tasting note here after the event.

Fonseca is offered primeur for 60€ in Denmark.

Thanks and cheers

[Bradley Bogdan]

Was fortunate enough to attend a Port event in Houston today where Ramos Pinto, Niepoort and Rozes poured a total of 5 2017 VPs. I thought the Ramos Pinto VPs were very floral, clean in mouthfeel, and approachable, considering the massive youthful structure. The Niepoort was also rather approachable, but a bit more “classic” in terms of drying structure I’m used to in a baby VP. The Rozes wines, while good, were a step back than the others.


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[Andy Velebil]

Thanks for the report Bradley!

[Andy Velebil]

Vieira de Sousa has declared their 2017 VP.

[Andy Velebil]

Quinta de la Rosa

[Roy Hersh]

I am heading to Portugal for nearly five weeks very shortly.

One of those weeks is for the Five Regions Tour. Another is at the end of the month, for my daughter, who is flying over to meet me and learn about why I am so crazy about Porto, the city; as she already knows why re: the drink. The other 3 weeks are to slowly taste through at least 5 or 6 dozen of the 2017 Vintage Ports. It is difficult enough to do this in June. I can only imagine what it was like for the journalists who have already done so, in late April and through mid-May.

Roy

[Thomas V]

Martha's have declared

[Andy Velebil]

Martha's have declared

Thanks Updated

[Eric Menchen]

Martha's have declared

I knew she had a vineyard of the coast of Massachusetts , but I've not heard of this brand. Any details? I did find their web page http://marthasgroup.com/en/home/