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Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:04 pm
by Roy Hersh
Not a trick question, I am not talking about any Ports, just a table wine. One hint, it came before Barca Velha in 1952 was even conceived.
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:38 am
by Jan-Tore Egge
I don't know the answer off hand, so I would have to check, but I'm reminded of Baron Forrester, who spoke against fortification of port. I presume, therefore, that he made unfortified wine, sometime around the middle of the 19th century. (He died in 1862, didn't he?) But does such a wine fit your description?
And there must have been table wines before they started making fortified wines, but I guess they weren't DOC or anything.
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:53 am
by Frederick Blais
Tricky questions indeed because dry wine was made from the 200BC to around 1830 as the majority of the product made from grapes in the Douro. After that it was made from the left over mainly. The DOC for table wine was created in 1979.
So what do you consider Official first Douro wine?
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:59 am
by Roy Hersh
Simply put, this is not trying to be a tricky question ... just a somewhat difficult one. The answer to Frederick's question is this: It was commercially released and sold, and it was vinified some time between the beginning of the 20th century and Barca Velha's debut in 1952. Probably gives it away for the Google-heads but it still won't be easy.

Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 6:02 am
by Frederick Blais
Ok :) I never remember that name but I know in which book to look in
Appart from that I would have said Kopke, which was the first officially recorded house to have ship wine as name Porto back in the days.
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:03 am
by Roy Hersh
No cheating!

Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:25 am
by Frederick Blais
Roy Hersh wrote:No cheating!

Is it cheating to look into a book for a badly affected Port memory?
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:09 pm
by Frederick Blais
I found a Dial-up connection I could use from home
Here is what I had in mind from what stated above. From MB book, I'd say that the wine is Bussaco or Buçaco, but reading more.... I see that this wine is from Coimbra, a bit too much South

. My intuition did not serve me on this!
But if I did my homework correctly, the first white from Douro should be Encostas do Tua, is it a good answer?
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:45 pm
by Roy Hersh
Fred,
Earlier, I was only joking around. Of course you are entitled to find the answer in a book if you want to do the research. A great way to learn and that of course, is what this is all about. However good your above answer may be, it does not provide the name of the very first Douro wine.
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:48 pm
by Roy Hersh
Are you ready for a hint (big or little is your choice)?
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:39 am
by Jan-Tore Egge
Yes, give us a hint, please.
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:15 am
by Roy Hersh
Read the current newsletter. The answer is there, bright as sun light.

Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:45 am
by Jan-Tore Egge
Oh well, Evel Grande Escolha (ca.) 1920, red.
You caught us out.

Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:13 am
by Frederick Blais
Oops I'm late in my lectures

Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:45 pm
by Roy Hersh
Jan-Tore is the winner and new champion!

Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:39 pm
by Jan-Tore Egge
Does that mean I win a case of 1931 Nacional?

Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:21 pm
by Roy Hersh
Yes, but only if you can be here by breakfast tomorrow. Otherwise, you forfeit your Grand Prize!
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:44 pm
by Jan-Tore Egge
Careful, Roy. If I hadn't been so busy, I just might have jumped on the first plane over there.
Re: Can you name the very first Douro white or red wine?
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:46 pm
by Roy Hersh
You are always welcome to do so, the only case that I have that even comes close in the 1963 Nacional. Very little in the way of bottles are left, but the original wooden (12 pack) case sure looks great!
