1997 Ferreira Vintage Port

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1997 Ferreira Vintage Port

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Ferreira Vintage Port - 1997
Intensely black bottle - very difficult to decant using even a powerful flashlight - could hardly see sediment come into the neck. I was prepared, however, with the strainer and siphon. No muslin was available on such short notice as this was definitely an impulse buy when I discovered my father was coming to town for dinner. 1½ days of standing upright left most of the sediment on the bottom of the bottle. I'm not sure if I took an inordinately long time pouring, but it took an awful long time for sediment to reach the steel strainer. This was good. The cork did come apart, and while I didn't have to go at it with glue, I was able to fish what wanted to remain in the neck out with a sharp, thin knife blade. Only three or four small bits ended up in the wine - not bad for a first effort IMHO.

First impressions - upon decanting
Wow! Powerful nose of grapes, huge black cherries, undertones of licorice
Slight tickle of alcohol in the nose.
Beautiful dark ruby colour, very rich and intense. The small amount swirled in the glass gives way to a dark orange colour when held directly underneath the light.
I was salivating from the moment I began decanting this beauty until I touched it to my lips for the first time.
The fruit bursts onto the palate with cherries, blackberries, perhaps a slight licorice taste, not as much as the nose suggests. There is a noticable twinge of alcohol at the back of the throat, but not unpleasant at all. This is some powerful stuff, my senses seem overpowered.

+90 minutes
Nose is still dominated by black cherries, but the licorice seems to have subsided, being replace by blackberries
Alcohol is beginning to integrate nicely, both in nose and in the mouth
Nice thick, tears that I typically associate with older tawny Ports. (20+ years) I haven't seen thick tearing like this on any of the LBVs or Rubies that I have tried thusfar.
Thick, viscous mouthfeel - somewhat fuzzy mouth. It has the longest finish of any wine I have ever tasted... almost a full two minutes. Looking forward to a proper portion - for now I tried simply two fingers for impressions and analysis.

+2½ hours

A proper glass poured, the family around the table, we toast the occasion and indulge. Wow.
I think I am in trouble because I now know what Vintage Port is. If this is a "cheap" bottle, then I cannot fathom what a "big" house produces. This is amazing.
Some tannins, but seemingly well-integrated. Still some huge cherry aromas and taste. The palate is dominated by fresh fruit.
Although aware of the alcohol, it is integrated and not standing apart. Blackberries on the undertone. Perhaps a slight taste of something other than the strong cherries and blackberries... not able to identify it with any amount of certainty. Black currents or over-ripe boysenberries comes to mind, but as soon as I try picturing that in the picture, my mind tells me it is not so. Something not readily identifiable.

+5 hrs
We have finished up the conversations for the evening, everyone has headed to bed. I have transcribed my notepad scribbles on to the forum and am having a quick nightcap before heading to bed myself.
The impression I have gotten from this Vintage Port, although young at only 10 years, is that I am going to be broke for the remainder of my life! 8) The biggest difference between this and all other Ports that I have consumed is the sheer power, harmony and depth. It has a length that the LBVs cannot touch and a depth that is magnificent.

This bottle was one of the less expensive ones of the '97s (the others available were Taylors, Fonseca, Warre, Smith Woodhouse and Noval I believe, and while I know all of these hold great things in store, I have read and heard good things about the Ferreira being a bargain for the price.)

I am going to try to avoid slurping down the remainder of the decanter contents and let it sit overnight. If I happen to wake up I will sample and report accordingly, but as a morning prelude to my uber-dark coffee, it should be good at 12+ hours decanted. We'll see if there is significant change in store.

This is a very good port.

I almost consider it unfair to use Tom's rating system, which after having studied, rates the port against others that I may have this year. Having no idea of how obsessed with drinking VP i wil become (I suspect VERY), and being that it is not only the first VP this year, but ever for me, it seems unfair to attempt a rating using the Tom-system. I also have no idea whether or not this port will get better with age (another 10 years is the standard that you use if I am not mistaken Tom) but I will guess that it does have some maturation to undergo and will get better with age, perhaps the alcohol will integrate itself even moreso than it is at present. I imagine this to be the case but have absolutely nothing to base this on.

Please forgive the 'sit-on-the-fence' stance that I am taking (hey, I'm from Canada! It's what we do!! :D) but I will rate this port tomorrow once a bot more time has elapsed and we see if there is indeed any change in the decanter.

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+15 hrs
I believe this wine may have slightly regressed since last night. The alcohol seems less integrated, almost standoffish. There is a slight heat after a mouthful, which is not as pleasant as the last encounter.
This leads me to believe that the wine was interrupted from it’s sleep and could definitely benefit from a few more years in the cellar. First-time impression though, so take this TN with a grain of salt. :)

I will leave a few glasses worth in the decanter to see if the alcohol reintegrates itself after any length of time, but I doubt that.
I will rate this port a 5-6 on the Tom scale. I believe it can become better with age, how much is questionable. Again, based on the fact that I have very little to compare it to as far as VPs go, the upside potential is unknown at this point.
A 6-7 rating might be more accurate for me(due to my own lack of experience with VP), but I feel others may not rate this port as high as some of the other ‘larger’ houses would produce, thus the 5-6.

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Todd,

Great job on your first TN. I can say it was much longer and in much better detail than my first dozen were :)

I can see that slope is getting slippery and even more slippery by the moment 8)
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Andy, indeed someone seems to have greased the wheels and we are flying at break-neck speed now.

I already have my 2nd VP lined up. It is the Fonseca Quinta do Panascal 2001. While I know this is another young port and will likely be a mixture of the same emotions, I was married in 2001 and am seeking a case of 6 or 12 to lay down for future anniversary celebrations. I figure I should probably perform a bit of investigation to ensure I am making the proper decision, no?! 8)
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+26 hrs
I did not do this port justice with my earlier prediction. Not only has the alcohol completely integrated, the tannins, which may have been a bit harsh previously have smoothed right off.

I am going to have to raise my rating to 6-7. I think this port has a great future. If you decide to open one this decade, a longer decanting time is recommended to allow everything time to fully integrate and smooth up. Lovely for a “first-time” :D

Well, that's a wrap on my 1st ever VP. There is nothing left to report on, but I cannot imagine this getting any better. At the end, it was smooth and silky and absolutely beautiful.

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Todd,

A brilliant set of tasting notes (make sure you keep a copy somewhere for yourself, just in case a bug or gremlin should hit the site). I felt your enthusiasm for the wine come through in your notes.

I was also really interested to read your 26 hour tasting note where the alcohol had integrated back in and how enjoyable you found the wine at that stage.

Ferreira is also one of the best choices you probably could have made for your first VP. They do seem to be a label that produce consistently good, value-for-money, ports but yours is the first I recall seeing in a while. Good to know how its doing.

Roy has a tasting note on the 2001 Panascal on his Friends part of this site. If you've made a donation to the website then I suggest that you have a quick read of it - but it is much briefer than your Ferreira note!

However, my word of caution is that the 2001 ports may be going through that stage in their development where they are not very attractive. While very young, most VPs will be full of fruit and will be full of exuberant youthfulness. When 10 years old they will have lost their fruity puppy-fat and may well have changed to something with a little more elegance and structure, as you found with the Ferreira. At the age of 6 they may be closed, dull and seemingly lifeless. If you try a Panascal 2001 and end up being disappointed, don't totally write the wine off. Maybe be prepared to try it again in 4-5 years time.

But my word of caution above is not based on any experience of this particular wine, only on my experience with the 2000 vintage - which I find disappointing at the moment but I am full of confidence that they will blossom into early adulthood in a few years time.

Alex

PS - welcome to the bottom of the slope. It won't be long before you are asking us for suggestions on how to store wine in an "offsite" location... :roll:
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Thanks for the head's up on the 2001 Alex... I may just defer that one off to the cellar again then for a few more years.

I do indeed have the TN from my Ferreira saved to a document on my laptop at home. I may not become a Port mogul the likes of Roy, but I eventually will want to look back and run comparisons and look back fondly to see which vintages of a particular year that I enjoyed. I imagine this will assist me in making decisions down the road for repeat purchases! 8)

Warre's '85 will have to be the next one up. I had inquired about whether I should open this wine up on another thread and got back a resounding "yes" so away we go! :)

Alex - we will certainly have a discussion in the future when I do start developing my basement and then run out of space allocated for Port. When it comes time to move to an off-site cellar, we'll talk. I fear there may not be many options around my neck of the woods - while England has a distinct passion for their wines and storage of such (it must be a decently big business) Canada does not have that many places that I am aware of. Or maybe there are, and I am simply not aware of them. Ah, the wonders of discovery! :D

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Post by Otto Nieminen »

What a nice note, Todd! And very timely also as this has just become available here - but at a scary 70€ price! I have liked Ferreira's VPs, but I still think that the glory of the house is their Braganca Tawny!
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Todd,

Congratulations on such a brilliant analysis of the Ferreira VP for your first Vintage Port and tasting note. Impressive and most appreciated that you chose to share it here!

I have had more vintage and especially more old vintages of Ferreira than just about any other producer. My oldest VP is an 1830 and like the majority of other 1800s Vintage Ports I have tasted, my "on line" version of those TNs was lost when a certain wine message board turned belly up and shut down their archives with NO prior warning. Maybe 800-1200 of my TNs were lost in that database debacle, although I probably have 1/3 of them in hand written form including the 1830.

That history aside, Ferreira is not as popular or widely distributed in the UK, similarly to many other Portuguese Port Shippers. Not surprising!

In the USA, it is seen across America and is a very respected name in the Port trade. I do not put them in the top tier of Ports because there has been inconsistency over the past century. Regardless of that fact, when Ferreira Ports are on ... they deliver a ton of pleasure and are a great bang for the buck, typically in a more elegant, feminine style of Port.

Their wood aged Ports are also fantastic and no serious collector should ignore this producer for any of the categories of Port in which they participate. From their most entry level to the 20 year old Tawny which I have always touted as my favorite, to the many delicious vintages they've produced ... to one of the greatest Lodges in Gaia .... Ferreira has been a Port force to be reckoned with for eons.

For more information on Ferreira scroll down to the FERRIRA section in my report here: http://www.fortheloveofport.com/articles/a_Tour1.htm
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Roy, I started through this article (the Tour of Duty) intending to read the Ferreira notes, but have read through nearly the entire article.

I have to tell you how utterly fascinating this article is (kudos!) and how insanely jealous I am of these folks that got to experience this - talk about the experience of a lifetime! I am slowly making my way through all the "episodes" and each time you talk of visiting a major house and having the special treatment for the group, it seals my fate more and more.

I am not sure if you are publishing prices on the site as to the cost of this experience, if not, perhaps you could PM or email me with a rough cost (how much the May '07 trip is currently going for) and I can factor in inflation for the '08 or '09 version and start saving my pennies. :twocents:

Although this may mean I have to put off the purchases of a few cases of the 2003 VP for my son... :? Naaaaah!

Thanks!

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Todd,

I can honestly say, start saving your :twocents: . The trip was awsome, and I am already planning on going back again with Roy at the end of this year. Roy really only scratches the surface about what happens, so I assure you it was even better than described in the newsletter....but as Roy stated, "What happens in the Douro, stays in the Douro." Oh and that 1994 did "blossom" into a wonderful Port :)

I can guarantee the trip will take your overall Port knowledge to a whole new level in a very short time.
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Such a coincidence but my first VP was the Ferreria 1977 tasted 20 years ago in 1987, the vintages and first VP vintage 20 years before yours.
I have many other fine VP's since but Ferreira is a special one for me . I have 77, 80, and 97 in the collection. I even have had some 78 and 87 , not their best years. Always a value IMHO.
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Post by Alan C. »

Could I ask a Question of you Harvest Tour Guys. You've probably covered it somewhere, so I wont set up a new thread.

In all the Tasting Notes you see on the Forum, I would say the Majority, like Todds, either improve, or at least change, characteristics, after the 12 - 24 hours period. Understandably that would be a logistical nightmare on a few days/a week worth of Foriegn Travel, when your trying so many fine Ports. Do you guys just accept that, and just appreciate how lucky you are in the first place, or have you found a way, or working on a way, to factor that in?

Just curious?

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Alan,

As is normally the case when a group of men are stranded miles from home having to fend for themselves we came up with a rather clever way of solving this problem. At the end of each tasting we smuggled a few of the half consumed bottles of VP into our rucksacks and took them back to the hotel where a small group of diehards (mainly Andy and I) would sit until the small hours of the morning researching how each of the wines had evolved since the initial tasting. Some of the bottles even came out on more than one night giving an impression over 24 hours+

I have to say that our dedication to the cause was quite remarkable :lol: :lol:

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Alan,

I can endorse that Derek and Andy's dedication to the cause was truly remarkable. One particular horribly corked bottle was untouched by all other members of the party but these two managed to drain that bottle dry.

I still shudder at the memory of how revolting that mushroomy smell and taste was - but they managed to numb their palates sufficiently to be able to quaff the lot. Me? I didn't have the stamina to keep up. I can't drink very much port, just a glass or two spread over an entire evening.

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hmmm...... not sure whether I'm having that last one.....
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Alan,

Just to explain, Al-B drinks port out of pint glasses :lol: :lol:

....and there were no mushrooms in the corked Nacional - it was only those who are unfortunate enough to be hyper-sensitive to TCA who could spot it - either way, it tasted fine to me and Andy 8)

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A glass or two
but he didn't say the glass or two he was drinking out of was a magnum bottle :shock:
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IIRC, there was a couple of bottles that made it to 48 hours that Derek and I had while chatting the night away....a couple of the lesser vintages started to deteriorate and a few held on to their peak. BTW, that Nacional, although corked, actually defied all logic and got less corked when we drank it later....at least that is my :drunk: recollection
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Andy

The nearly-empty bottle from "that Nacional that got less corked" was still on the table in the morning when I got up. Strangely, the mushroom smell that had faded whilst you were drinking it (and the other ports) during the night had come right back.

Go figure :shock:

By the way, while I remember I just want to say thanks to all the guys on the trip before Derek and I arrived for saving us the bottles from the 1994 vs 2004 horizontal. The three '94s were still so sweet even 36 hours after being opened.

Alex
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